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Reviews / Oregon Garden with CSV1
« on: September 20, 2014, 12:23:27 PM »
No irrigation system is perfect, and this one has a couple of limitations which need to be accommodated.

 First, as with all overhead irrigation, the sprinklers are very wind sensitive. We try to irrigate when the air is calm, usually first thing in the morning. Note in the above photos that we use 3 sprinklers at the center of the garden. Although the garden could be irrigated using just one sprinkler, we live in an area that is frequently breezy during summer, so irrigation must be done during brief calm periods early in the morning. Using 3 sprinklers allows the irrigation to be done in 1/3 the time required for a single sprinkler. In less windy areas, one sprinkler would work fine, it would just need to run longer.

 Second, the sprinklers need to have steady water pressure in order to evenly irrigate a circle of a particular diameter. As water pressure drops, the diameter of the irrigated circle gets smaller and vice versa as pressure increases. If the sprinklers are connected to a municipal water supply, this doesn't present a problem. We irrigate from a well which, like most residential wells, incorporates a pressure tank and pressure switch. When the sprinkler is turned on, the water pressure drops steadily as the pressure tank discharges down to about 40 pounds per square inch (psi). At that point, the pressure switch turns on the well pump which pressurizes the tank back up to 60 psi, at which point the pump shuts off and the cycle starts over. As the water pressure continually varies between 40 and 60 psi, the irrigated circle fluctuates in size resulting in uneven application of water at the perimeter of the garden. This could be solved by by installing a pressure regulator to maintain steady pressure to the sprinklers. The problem is that most of the wear on a well pump occurs during startup. A pressure regulator would require the pump to cycle on and off during the entire irrigation period, causing unnecessary wear to an expensive pump.

 I researched this and eventually solved the problem by installing a device that most plumbers have never heard of. It's called a "cycle stop" valve, and solves both problems. It is similar in principle to a pressure regulator, and is installed between the pump and the pressure switch. It insures that the pump delivers a constant water pressure to the sprinklers and also insures that the water pressure at the switch does not become high enough to turn the pump off, until the sprinklers are turned off, thus prolonging pump life. In the event that you might want to use such a system, I'd recommend reading the Cycle Stop Valve website at cyclestopvalves.com. (Note: I am not connected with this company and do not receive any compensation from it.)


Cycle stop valve is red and white fitting. Well head is on left.

 The sprinkler heads we use are Rain Bird #5004 PC which are adjustable for irrigating any portion of the garden from one section (1/12th) up to the whole garden. They come with an assortment of nozzles depending on the area to be irrigated.

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Reviews / Jet Pump with CSV1
« on: September 20, 2014, 12:20:02 PM »


Cycle Stop Valves,

 The CSV is installed and WOW, what a difference! We can now take two showers at the same time plus not get scalded when the dishwater turns on. This is a lifestyle change around here. Also I don't have to connect to the city water that is right in our front yard. The install was easy and I appreciate your support.

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Reviews / Irrigation with Multiple Wells
« on: September 20, 2014, 12:16:44 PM »


Dear Cary,

 After becoming an avid user of the Cycle Stop Valve as a dealer and installer I have sent some pictures of a system we were working on. These two wells are in a large subdivision with two 10 horse submersible pumps. As you can see, they had very small tanks with the Hydro Servants by Red Jacket. The Hydro Servants were not working when we checked the system out initially. The pumps were cycling way too much which has taken out numerous start capacitors and relays. We assumed the motors would be next if something wasn't done. We installed the two CSV's (CSV3B2T) along with two WWT-120 Flexcon tanks. The reason for the larger tanks was because of leaks in the sprinkler system. The larger tanks will keep the pumps from cycling so much while keeping up with the leaks.

 The main reason for the CSV's was the fact that every homeowner has their own sprinkler timer at their home. So the amount of water being used at any one time could be as little as 10 gpm or somewhere over 150 gpm. The only way to keep from cycling the pumps to death was to install the CSV's.

 I have been in the Well Drilling and Pump service business in Michigan and Florida for over 40 years. I have tried the Hydro Servant and the Flexcon Smart Tee. The Hydro Servant didn't work like I thought it should and the first Smart Tee I installed immediately plugged up. The small screen inside the valve got covered with PVC glue and mineral deposits, which kept water from getting through. I had to remove the screen permanently. I sold several more Smart Tees but removed the screen first.

 Since discovering CSV, I was convinced a large tank was the best protection for a motor. Now, I use CSV's exclusively. I can install them with confidence, knowing my customers will get years of trouble free service while not spending as much for the CSV and a much smaller tank.

 Thank you for a great product,

 Bob Tabor
 VP: Boss Pump & Well

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Reviews / Rorrer Well Drilling
« on: September 20, 2014, 12:13:23 PM »


Cycle Stop Valves,

 The cycle stop valve used in this application has worked wonderfully. The client has enjoyed the simplicity of having a consistent pressure without the use of complex controllers or a room full of pressure tanks. It was a perfect fit!

 Eric Rorrar
 Rorrer Well Drilling, Inc.
 Christiansburg, Virginia

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Reviews / City Like Pressure
« on: September 20, 2014, 12:09:25 PM »
Dear Cary,

 I have lived in a house with street pressure water for 21 years than moved to my present house on well water I could always tell where and when the pressure switch closed when I ran the water.

 But now I would have to say with the CSV installed it runs as close to street like water pressure coming off a well as anyone could possibly want!!! You only feel the pressure drop once and than it is just a constant pressure with a steady flow. My family loves the new pressure system because you can run two showers and still flush the john with no chilling, burning or major pressure loss issues.

 I'm sure it has to be set up right with water availability, pump max pressure, pump continuous pressure, proper CSV psi, water storage tank size and water usage in a fine balancing act to achieve the same effect as I have, but if I can achieve it anyone can with alittle help.

 I got great help here, the supply house and from CSV themselves and maybe a little luck tossed in for good measure.

 Thanks,

 Jeff

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Reviews / Jet Pump with CSV
« on: September 20, 2014, 12:08:36 PM »
Dear Bob,

 Well... I've had my system installed now for almost 2 months and would like to share the experience with the forum. So here goes...

 First, Bob was extremely helpful in many different ways. In addition to all the sound advice, he pre-assembled and pressure tested the system before shipping it to me. The system arrived quickly and was straight forward to install. Within a few hours I had the old system removed and the new one hooked up. At my request, Bob had pre-set the CSV to 65psi and I fine tuned the pump cut-in/cut-off to 55/75.

 The system is working perfectly and the constant 65 psi water is AWESOME!!! The pump come on AND stays on until the water usage stops and the pressure tank refills. No more short cycling! I highly recommend the CSV1Z!

 The last test will be to see what happens with the electricity bill. I'm hoping that the continuous running of the larger pump will use less electricity than the horrible short cycling that was occuring with the older and smaller pump. Time will tell...

 Thanks again to Bob. I highly recommend his advice and service to all!!!!

 Regards,

 -- John

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Reviews / Driller Switched from VFD's to CSV's
« on: September 20, 2014, 12:07:31 PM »
Dear Mr. Austin,

 I've met you several times at the Mountain States Groundwater Show. I have used several different VFD's instead of using your valve thinking that it would be a better system. After seeing the prices of these systems rise from 3-5% every year for the last five years I started feeling very guilty selling little 3" pumps for thousands of dollars that probably won't last any longer than what I was selling and went back to using the Cycle Stop Valve. I always thought that putting back pressure on a pump would hurt it as much as turning a motor very fast. But after reading your website I have to make a big apology. I should have been using your system all along. I've had less call backs on systems where I've used Cycle Stop Valves they are more reliable than any VFD. I'm making a lot more money than I was with the VFD's also. My customers ask me how can you beat your competitors price by $1,000.00 or more. I just laugh and have to educate them about your product versus the big manufacturers. I hope to see you in Laughlin this year and you've made a customer for life. I'm done with expensive VFDs. Cycle Stops are all I will use.

 Thank You,

 Matt Beeman
 Beeman Brothers Drilling Inc.
 Durango, CO.

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Reviews / 100 GPM Sub Industrial Application
« on: September 20, 2014, 12:06:23 PM »

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Reviews / Multiple Wells Feed Housing Development
« on: September 20, 2014, 11:53:33 AM »



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Reviews / 5 HP Sub Water Hammer Solved
« on: September 20, 2014, 11:49:36 AM »



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Reviews / From Jim Myers
« on: September 20, 2014, 11:45:09 AM »
I just want to tell you what a satisfying experience it was to deal with your company by phone today. The lady who I spoke with in tech support was so knowledgeable and helped me understand what is going on with my pump system. I know my little bit of business was not worth a lot of money, but I was made to feel like a valued customer, and that is worth a lot to me.

 Ever grateful,

 Jim Myers

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Reviews / From Jim Nickel, Dayton, Maryland
« on: September 20, 2014, 11:43:42 AM »


I was having an issue with my well pump and had to call in some well service. I expected it to be a dead pump and the initial checks seemed to indicate it was. The well service suggested I consider putting in a variable speed pump. At a cost of $3400 instead of $1200 to replace the pump. He quickly went through the advantages, prominently the constant pressure and said I'd have 1/2 hour to decide. Which was long enough for me to google the variable speed pump, manufacturer and reviews. My first impression on some threads was variable speed pumps and their control panels have reliability problems. .... one post innocuously said look into a CSV, you'll be pleased. I didn't know what a CSV was.

 As it turns out it was not the pump, but a broken wire down a couple hundred feet. I was spared the decision for the moment but mentioned the reliability issue and he acknowledged he had needed to replace several before the warranty was expired. What he didn't notice was his assistant looking at him with a big smile on his face right after I said there were reliability problems.

 But the broken wire gave me the opportunity to figure out what a CSV was ... the well service didn't know.

 Eventually, I figured out it was Cycle Stop Valve and made it to your web site. Surely the claims were a bit inflated. But it was worth studying up. I called your company and a couple of times and always got a quick answer to a few questions. I figured if the CSV was half as good as you claimed, it was worth the cost.

 The installation was straight forward. I decided to target a pressure of 60 psi for the CSV1Z. Adjusted the pressure tank [48 psi] and cut on/cut off switch appropriately [50/70 psi]. And the change was unbelievable. Once the psi got up to 60 psi, it was rock solid 60 psi no matter what I did to water demand. But psi is just a number. Let me tell you what it means.

 It means my wife no longer yells when someone turns on a faucet while she's taking a shower. She can't tell someone turned on a faucet. I'm getting more pressure at the shower head than I thought was possible. It means my irrigation system works far better than it ever did; producing a constant stream of water that allows me to reduce the watering time considerably. My pressure washer works better. With a consistent supply of water I don't get the fluctuations at the pressure washer I was getting as my well pump was cycling on and off. That's what's important, it's performance. And what I experienced was better than what I thought you were claiming.

 What did it cost me. About $150. I went from potentially staring at a bill of $3,400 to $150. Sure. One of these days I'll have to replace that pump. But it's not going to cost me $3,400 for a system and a continuing source of work for the well service. I couldn't be happier. My wife couldn't be happier. And as I mentioned to you on the phone. "If I wasn't retired, I'd be out selling these things." You have made one great product.

 Jim
 Dayton, Maryland

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Reviews / Pside-Kick with Filters
« on: September 20, 2014, 11:40:57 AM »



11-22-2010
 I went ahead and installed the Sandmaster before the CSV / pside-kick. As discussed earlier... many troubleshooting threads die off once the person resolves their intitial situation with little or no followup... so I wanted to close the loop.

 My final setup as follows:

pump > Lakos SandMaster > CSV / pside-kick manifold > Big Blue 20" filter > House 

 Setup has been in operation now for a little over two weeks. Constant 50lbs pressure. CSV working as advertised... and no pump cycling. Its been great! Now that everything is in place I have one last question... I plumbed everything, including the two pressures gauges as suggested by Lakos.

 I also installed a pressure gauge on either side of the Big Blue filter to give me a better way to monitor when the filter needs replacing. The gauge on the pside-kick manifold as well as both gauges on either side of the Big Blue filter are all reading 50 psi... but the two gauges on either side of the Sandmaster are both reading 110 psi! At first I freaked out. When I first saw 110 psi I paniced thinking the PVC feed from my well was going to burst. In an effort to troubleshoot, and eliminate the Sandmaster as a reason for the buildup, I took it completely out of the circuit. To my surprise both gauges still read 110 psi. Thankfully, a post I found in another forum helped ease some of my worry. It was stated the pressure build up is normal with the CSV. As follows:

 "The pump should build about 130 PSI max on the inlet to the CSV. That high pressure is not dangerous or going to hurt anything. High pressure actually makes the work on the pump easier and the motor will pull less amps, than when running at higher flow rates."

 After reading that comment and contemplating the fact I had 110 psi... my light bulb went on! All of a sudden I realised why you said "If your pump can build more than 150 PSI, then you must put the filter after the CSV" Whew.

 Anyway... after two weeks, no leaks and nothing has blown up yet. Now realizing my my initial fears were unfounded.

10-18-2011
 I'm guilty of not coming back to this forum once I got my system up and running. I'm sure you've installed something by now but in the event others stumble across this thread here's an update.

 Just shy of one year after installation ... and Everything is still working perfectly!!! Crystal clear water! No more sediment accumulating in the toilet tanks or clogging washing machine hose filters (thanks to the Lakos Sand Master)... We're also enjoying long showers with constant water pressure - just like in the city! (thanks to the Pside-kick system with PK1W Cycle Stop Valve).

 As you can see in my installation photo above I also purchased the Lakos purge kit (the clear PVC tube below the SandMaster) It allows me to see any accumulated sediment and purge it when needed. I chose this as a less expensive option to the automatic purge kit. Anyway, believe it or not... the Big Blue cartridge sediment filter still looked pretty much the same as it did 9 months after I installed it with no pressure build up. With my previous set up (pre-rebuild) I was having to replace the filter every other month, so the Lakos is doing its job. NET: I'm very pleased with the entire setup. Would do it exactly the same if I had to do it over again.

10-18-2011
 I 'd like to say I was simply doing a followup for my thread... but in truth, a coworker came to me this morning to tell me the output from his well dropped off dramatically this morning. On investigation he discovered the bladder in his vertical tank let go. He remembered me talking about how I eliminated the big bladder tank during my well overhaul last year and started asking questions. I went looking for this thread for him to read... (to save him from having to do all the same research). It was then I discovered I failed to do any follow up on my original thread. Ooops...

 Anyway... after reading my thread (and a couple others on the CSV and Pside-kick) and once he realized the Pside-kick system was a "complete kit"... and that his well would deliver constant water pressure, he starting putting together his order! Now it looks like I'll be offering him some installation assistance once he gets everything. I told him he really didn't need my help, that the instructions with the Pside-kick are great and its actually quite easy to install. But... I'll go over to his place and watch... besides... he offered me all the free beer I can drink

 Anyway, thanks again for all your advice and guidance (and the others who replied to my thread). I've been fixing and repairing wells, both mine and others in my family, for decades. I've installed more bladder tanks that I care to think about. I'm old school and semi-retired and have preached many sermons about why a well needs a big bladder tank. On stumbling across a thread talking about the Cycle Stop Valve I'll admit I was hesitant and didn't completely understand the technology of how it works. I'm glad I was flexible enough to see the light and move away from old school ideas.

 Back when my old fashioned bladder failed I was able to keep my well limping along by first draining the tank and then charging it with air. I had to keep adding every every night but it worked. During that time I spent many many hours researching and reading everything I could find on the CSV. However, once I discovered that NASA uses the Cycle Stop Valve I was sold. I was affiliated with the aerospace industry I know how much money and research NASA puts into their projects... after reading the NASA article it was a no brainer. If it was good enough for NASA it was good enough for me. Both my wife and I are very pleased with the systems performance. It was money well spent... and that’s saying a lot coming from me because I'm really careful when it comes to opening my wallet.

 Elton Norway

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Reviews / Cycle Stop Valve replaces four Variable Speed Pool Pumps
« on: September 20, 2014, 11:38:18 AM »
 Cary,

 Here's the update I promised you. The system works like a charm.

 This pool has 4 water features, a slide, a waterfall, a spa cascade, and a wet wall. I required the ability to run each of these water features independently. This pool also has four cleaning modes, two sets of in floor cleaning nozzles, skimming, filtering, and vacuuming. In addition this pool also has a 50 foot zero entry lip.

 In order to accommodate all the above a typical configuration would include 6 pumps. Two pumps for the in floor cleaning system (One for each set of cleaning nozzles). These pumps would also accommodate the solar heating system, the filtration system, the pool vacuuming, as well as the heating of the Spa.
 Two variable speed pumps for the water features.
 One variable speed pump for the zero entry lip.
 One pump for the spa jets.

 With this design each variable speed pump supplies two water features and has 4 possible speeds, Off, the 1st feature by itself, the 2nd feature by itself, and both features running. Aesthetically each water feature is adjusted to the correct water flow by balancing the variable speed pump settings and the valve settings to each feature. In this design the cleaning system, the water features, and a Zero entry lip all require the redundant movement of an independent volume of water. Having the same water that goes down the waterfall also go over the Zero entry lip or running the water from the water features through the filtration system is not possible due to the fact they're on separate pumps. This means that in order to enjoy the water features during the same time period as the pool filtration is running then 2 or 3 pumps need to run, moving twice as much water and using twice as much electricity as necessary.

 Now, let's look at a cycle stop valve configuration. This configuration only requires 2 pumps, one pump for the Jacuzzi heating and jets and one pump for everything else. Since the cycle stop valve will maintain the return water pressure at a constant 20 PSI regardless of flow rate several things become possible.

 Aesthetically each water features valve can be adjusted to the proper flow rate individually without worrying about how it affects the other water features. The cleaning system can be running or not as required without affecting the aesthetics of the water features. The Zero entry lip now uses the same water that the water features or cleaning system uses and thus reduces the amount of water flowing through the system. There is no degradation of water flow due to dirty filters or resistance from the solar panels.

 Yours truly,
 Mark

 PS. There are more advantages than what I've listed above, but wordsmithing is not my favorite activity. If you want to do more with this concept give me a call.

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Another Grundfos SQE with CU301 control replaced with CSV

 People don’t want to worry about their water systems. They just want water to come out of the faucet when a tap is opened. Cycling on and off from old style pressure tank systems will destroy pumps, motors, capacitors, relays, pressure switches, as well as cause pressure fluctuations and water hammer. Variable speed pump systems, also known, as Constant Pressure Pumps or VFD’s are expensive, troublesome, and short lived by design. People with these types of pump systems are constantly looking for answers to their problems. The Cycle Stop Valve or CSV is the answer to these problems. Once a person installs a CSV, their problems go away, and they rarely think about their water system again.

 I sometimes check back with customers a few years after they install a CSV. “No news is good news.” “Haven’t even been back in the well house.” “Water always comes out when I open a faucet, so I haven’t thought about it again.” These are some of the things I hear from CSV customers.

 The following is a response from a customer who had many problems before switching to a Cycle Stop Valve. When you hear someone say they have decided to install a CSV, you may never hear from them again. No news really is good news. After installing a CSV, people never worry about their water system again and are able to focus on the problems of everyday life.


Hi Greg
 Just looking back at some old emails and came across yours. Just wanted to see how things are working after the passage of some time?
 Thanks
 Cary

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Cary,

 Thanks for the check back! Hope all is "well" with you! LOL

 The CSV solution brought me back to the good old American know-how of KISS! After fussing with the complex Grundfos VFD, your CSV was a simple, successful and elegant solution.

 Proof of this is that after the CSV installation and adjustment, we have enjoyed dependable constant pressure water for over the last three years without any equipment monitoring, as it is not needed!

 Also, I feel that our Grundfos 15SQE10-250 well pump now has an extended life expectancy with the CSV as opposed to with the Grundfos CU301 VFD.

 Since the Grundfos CU301 failed early after installation, I did not take any usage measurements for comparisons. However, I feel that it has saved energy and maintenance efforts on my part. When the Grundfos pump does eventually fail, I will consult with you as to a better standard well pump and HP sized solution for my single well combined domestic and water source heat pump system.

 By the way, I occasionally follow your suggestions on the web with solving other well users needs and find them to be quite informative and helpful. I also agree that most product manufacturers are producing lesser quality for greater profits.

 As an example, we bought 4 new upper range brand name kitchen appliances three years ago and everyone has since failed in some capacity with replacement parts unavailable or not redesigned to correct original problems. In contrast, I have used for 31 years my John Deere 212 lawn & garden tractor that still cuts grass great and JD still stocks all the parts!

 America used to manufacture solid long lasting products with solid service. Thanks Cary for keeping the faith alive with CSV!

 Take care and keep up the great work!

 Feel free to post my email. Great product and company that stands behind its products!

 Happy CSV fan,
 Greg

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