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Frequently Asked Questions / Re: pipe size

« on: February 09, 2017, 10:33:58 AM »

Just a reminder, PEX has a smaller inside dia. of say comparable sized copper or CPVC. And adding to this is the size reduction of the PEX fittings, depending on the PEX system you decide to use..

Rule of thumb is if using PEX, is to plumb 1" where 3/4" copper/CPVC is normally used and 3/4" PEX where 1/2" copper/CPVC has previously been used.

I hope this helps.

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: Multiple Check Valves

« on: July 28, 2016, 11:58:01 PM »

THANK YOU! 

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Valve Tech / Re: cleaning rust out of the CSV

« on: July 28, 2016, 02:03:20 AM »

Thanx for the reply.

I have the pump info (Utilitech Pro Model #UT200 115V) (I know - builders grade).

The actual well info I do not have (does driller keep this info?).

I have read...  ...that a blockage before the pressure switch may cause pump damage. It would be nice to keep everything fairly clean until it reaches the main filtration system.

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: Multiple Check Valves

« on: July 28, 2016, 01:44:34 AM »

You can remove the upper check valve when they start causing problems, or you can install only one check valve at the pump and not have the problems.

I have installed systems as deep as 2200' with only one check valve. You just need a good check valve, and to start and stop the pump at almost deadhead pressure conditions.

So in essence, you are saying that there is no real need for a top check valve if one is installed @ the pump (submersible)? Do most installs have a bottom check valve?

I am on a very steep learning curve here... 

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Valve Tech / Re: cleaning rust out of the CSV

« on: July 26, 2016, 03:11:17 PM »

 I remove the valve and it was full of sediment and rust.  I figure it was holding the valve from seating.  I replace the csv and everything returning to normally.  I intend installing a preefilter to protect the valve from this happening again.  Looking into the valve you can clearly see rust coating the valve internally.

Additional info...I have installed a prefilter now but the valve doesn't seem to like it as it will pressure up to 60 psi and then stop and chatter down to 50 some time 40.  So I pulled the filter from the filter housing and the valve seems OK.  What micro size of filter should I use.  This one is a 50 micron.

Scott

Was the pre-filter (assumed cartridge sediment) installed before the pressure tank?

I too want to install such a filter (along with H2O2 injection) before the CSV, pressure switch and tank to prevent fouling but have read the filter install may affect the pump. My pre-filter is after the tank and before the main filtration now.

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: WELL SEDIMENT

« on: July 17, 2014, 07:40:41 AM »

Hi Kultulz

Hi Cary... 

The CSV always fills the tank at about 1 GPM.  That is why you are measuring 1.24 GPM, which is pretty darn close. 

You have a 10 GPM pump, and that is how you should size the softener.  If you want to measure the 10 GPM, use a hose or two to keep the pressure below 40 PSI, which will make the CSV just act like a piece of pipe.  Depending on the depth to water you should measure between 8 and 14 GPM.

...hmmph...

Your knowledge is invaluable. Now I understand.

THANK YOU!

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: WELL SEDIMENT

« on: July 16, 2014, 07:34:08 AM »

  ...help...

Ms. Cary,

I bow to your knowledge once again.

After having resigned myself to the fact that the only way to control my well water hardness problem (920 mg/L - 53GPG), I have decided on a salt based system (salt-less wouldn't touch it).

While attempting to determine my pump flow rate for proper unit sizing, I have again mystified myself.

I used the formula found online but the result(s) are confusing. I drained the pressure tank (20gl) (@ 60 PSI) and allowed to refill. I recovered five gallons until the pump cut back in. It took 4 minutes to fill the tank. Now according to the formula, 5 gal is divided by 240 seconds (4 min) then multiplied by 60 to arrive at the flow rate. My calculator arrived @ 1.24 GPM. What am I doing wrong?

I have you CSV and the constant pressure to the house is 40PSI (after initial tank draw-down). I seem to have good pressure in the house (?).

I attached this post to the previous one as I am still fighting bad water.

THANX!

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: Whole House Filter Advice

« on: September 21, 2013, 07:14:50 AM »

Let me add this-

I bought a house in WV and being a city boy on city water for all of my life, ass-u-med that the water would be safe.

Needless to say, it was undrinkable and had heavy mineral/sediment content. Now my plumbing is full of sediment and lime (including ruining a water heater) before finally installing a filter system.

I strongly advise having a thorough water test performed and that way you will know for certain what you are dealing with.

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: WELL SEDIMENT

« on: June 05, 2013, 07:44:20 AM »

What is my biggest concern is that the pump will be deactivated before excess pressure develops, possibly burning out the pump.

I admire the easily read display and ease of pressure adjustment. Do they (you) make a model for a 115V pump?

The pump cannot "deactivate" until the pressure switch sees cut off pressure.  As long as the filter is leaking through at least 1 GPM, the pump will not get hot.

I have 3 of those EPS switches in 115V.  50 bucks a piece for a close out special, and 30 day warranty.

Close out special? Why is the company dropping the switch, poor sales? 

THANX for all the info. I will leave you alone now... 

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: WELL SEDIMENT

« on: June 05, 2013, 05:42:47 AM »

Installed prior to the CSV, the filter will have high pressure on it.  Make sure of the pressure rating of the filter and compare to the deadhead pressure that the pump can build.

GOOD POINT! THANX... 

A low pressure cut-off, which is the M4 feature in a regular Square D pressure switch, can shut the pump off when the filter becomes clogged enough that it can't supply as much water as you are using.  The Electronic Pressure Switch, EPS15/99 can also do this.

What is my biggest concern is that the pump will be deactivated before excess pressure develops, possibly burning out the pump.

The EPS is more of a novelty pressure switch if you want to see the digital display, which is cool, but won't do anything else different from the Square D mechanical switch.

I admire the easily read display and ease of pressure adjustment. Do they (you) make a model for a 115V pump?

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: WELL SEDIMENT

« on: June 03, 2013, 01:07:31 PM »

Installed prior to the CSV, the filter will have high pressure on it.  Make sure of the pressure rating of the filter and compare to the deadhead pressure that the pump can build.  Give me a pump model number and the water level in the well and I can figure the pressure for you.  A low pressure cut-off, which is the M4 feature in a regular Square D pressure switch, can shut the pump off when the filter becomes clogged enough that it can't supply as much water as you are using.  The Electronic Pressure Switch, EPS15/99 can also do this.  The EPS is more of a novelty pressure switch if you want to see the digital display, which is cool, but won't do anything else different from the Square D mechanical switch.

UTILITECH PRO
4in Submersible Pump
Model #UT200 115V

(Yes, I know it is a piece of crap but it is what the builder installed)

The water level I have no idea. Would the well drilling company keep that info?

So in essence, you are saying to put a filter ahead of the mechanical switch and CSV, there will be no detriment(s) if the filter becomes fully plugged and the present mechanical switch will sense low flow and shut down the pump?

THANX! 

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / WELL SEDIMENT

« on: June 01, 2013, 04:52:07 AM »

I have fairly heavy sediment from my well and while it is controlled by a sediment filter system after the pressure tank, I am concerned about the check valve, pressure switch and possible sediment buildup in the pressure tank.

If one were to place a sediment filter before the check valve (and I know this is considered a no-no) and if one was to install either your EPS15/99 and/or CYCLE SENSOR, would either feature shut off the pump if the filter became plugged to prevent pump burnout (desire manual purge over a automatic purge)?

Wondering in W(BY GOD) V.... 

And yes, I do have your CSV...