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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: New Install.....need Advice
« on: March 02, 2014, 10:09:32 AM »
Cary
can all the CSV's be mounted vertically or horizontal?  also I was thinking of getting the CSV160 and you recommended the CSVIA .........my cutoff setting is now about 62-64 lbs. and I don't want to go higher than 65........does the CSV setting need to be a certain amount lower than the pump cut-off?  any water weeping is not a problem......

also my tank, pressure switch and this new CSV will be in my basement shop.........the well head a 100 ft. away has a 100 lb. pop-off valve on it.........is this pop-off going to be a problem?  wondering if back pressure with the CSV will pop it, is it located in the right spot, etc.?

Thanks....

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If a CSV is installed can I still leave the water running at a trickle pencil lead thin to prevent freezing and to cycle the system some when it's freezing?  Or will the pump constantly run?   :o

Thanks.......

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Pump Pressure Drops when it comes on?
« on: June 03, 2013, 06:00:43 PM »
ok...this is my 1st submersible pump........still in house construction..........we have a temp tank hooked up right by the well.............6" well, 1 HP Goulds pump, set at 300 ft. on a 385 ft. well.........I noticed that when the pump comes on at 38 psi, the pressure immediately drops as the pump is calling to come on and as it comes up to pressure...........it's very noticeable drop in pressure if your using a hose pipe and the gauge drops down to 10-15 lbs. as the pressure switch closes and it immediately comes back up as the pump gets going.....then it pumps right on up to 60 lbs. with no problem.  Not sure what is causing that drop? 

Is this pressure drop normal?  and if not what could be the problem?

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: New Install.....need Advice
« on: April 17, 2013, 06:30:01 PM »
I saw first hand what your talking about dealing with this salesman.........when I asked their experience using CSV's they didn't have much good to say about them..."you don't need one of those" ...but they did want to push a variable speed pump.....they wanted to sell one of those though ........

even today I was telling the guy that set the pump and will be coming back to set the perm. tank later on that I wanted it piped a certain way so I can easily add a CSV if needed (I know I will need one).....his comment was oh your not gonna need one of those, it's not gonna short cycle.....if your using water it'll keep running" .................right   :o

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / PumpSaver Protection Advice
« on: April 17, 2013, 02:17:56 PM »
Ok.....well got the Gould 10LS10422C pump installed .............I know these pump savers are good to have.... without spending a fortune can anyone recommend one.....extra features are nice on these, but my main concern is protecting the pump at a reasonable price.....or is the product line offered by Gould the way to go?  This unit will be inside in the basement by the pump switch I guess...

I also so that Gould has some pump control boxes......what exactly is included in these?  is it simply a control relay or more to it?

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Question about Goulds LS & GS Pumps
« on: April 17, 2013, 12:53:26 PM »
Can anyone tell me the difference in the Goulds submersible pumps......   they have a LS series and a GS series.......I'm guessing the LS is a lesser quality pump because it's what the contractor used......does anyone know?

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: New Install.....need Advice
« on: April 17, 2013, 08:38:47 AM »
Thanks for the advice.....I believe I would be better off with a CSV regardless of what size pump they put............but arguing with these guys is useless, they think the consumer knows nothing and they are the experts........then they throw the old "well I can put what you want, but if there are problems with it, then it's on you"  ......their trying to throw their warranty out the window because I modified their design.....lol

I will be so glad when this house is done!

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: New Install.....need Advice
« on: April 17, 2013, 08:33:45 AM »
One question on how the CSV's work is once the tank draws down....pump comes on.........at this point the pump puts out at max gpm until the pressure reaches CSV set point (50 psi?), at that time it closes off some to allow preset flow (1gpm?) and cuts the pump off once water demand is off and the tank is back full again?  is this scenario correct?

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: New Install.....need Advice
« on: April 16, 2013, 10:53:54 PM »
One other thing............this pump has an 1.25" discharge............does that mean these guys should be running a 1.25" line all the way to the house?  or can it be reduced to maybe 1"?
what is the rule of thumb for the industry here?  never reduce the pipe size because it reduces the pumps designed flow rates?

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Whole House Filter Advice
« on: April 16, 2013, 10:49:06 PM »
Can you guys recommend a whole house filter?  I was looking to get one that had dual filters so I can clean one while keeping one in service..........for a 3 bedroom, 3.5 bath house..........new well.........haven't tested the water yet, but neighbors have told be of problems with some fine sand.........but my well is deeper than theirs, so I don't know if I will have a problem. 

Should I just try to put it on as soon as the house is finished or wait to see if there is a problem?  Can you usually see this stuff in a glass of water? or can it be too fine to see but it can still accumulate in the  lines?

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: New Install.....need Advice
« on: April 16, 2013, 10:36:54 PM »
I kinda thought someone would tell me that the pump was overkill..........I thought the 3/4 HP was plenty.........but when your pump guy is telling you trust me I been in the business 25 yrs.....bla bla bla.........sometimes you just can't argue with someone who thinks they know everything and when they see pump rate charts from a manufacturer, but they still think they know more about how the pump will operate in the field......so I gave up trying to get my point to the guy....I guess we will see.

I figured that the larger tank and having some draw down will cut down on pump cycles, even if I add the CSV later ....having constant 50 gpm pressure is not real important to me most of the time, it is nice though during a long shower........... I  also figured a heavier pump may get me more years of service...........I will wait until they get it set up after construction, I'm sure the pump cycle will be too short and then I'll get the CSV..........I'll have them pipe it up correctly via the online instructions so that all I'll have to do is cut the line and add the CSV......

I'm so glad I found the CSV page online.....it solves so many problems

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / New Install.....need Advice
« on: April 15, 2013, 06:28:56 PM »
I need some advice, as I am not 100% sure my well guy is figuring things correctly.  They drilled a new 6" well and hit a large vein at 385 ft.  The well guy drilling estimated a conservative 80-90 gpm.......he was unsure but said it may be as high as 100 gpm......he said the well will never go dry regardless how much I use!!!  They did not know for sure the water level in the well and they were already quoting a pump I needed.  After discussion I figured out that they needed to know the water level to figure out the right pump and tank.  So the guy told me to drop a marble size rock in the well and time it until I hear the splash.  I did it twice with a stop watch app and it times at 2.8 seconds.......he said 25 ft. per sec. which comes out to 70 ft. for the water level.

This is what they are proposing to me for a system, a Goulds 10GS10 pump (10 gpm, 1 HP, 1 1/4" discharge, set at 300 ft.), a Goulds 44 gal tank (w/15 gal. draw down), I presume 1 1/4" pipe between the two which is approx. 100 ft. to the basement, pressure sw., etc. etc.
The house is new 2900 sq. ft., 4 bedroom, 3.5 bath........and I may possibly want to be able to run sprinklers or maybe even install a sprinkler system if needed later.

The Gould charts for this pump says at 80 ft. water level with a 40/60 sw. settings, that this 10GS10 pumps out 15.5gpm to 13.7 gpm.  It also list a shutoff pressure of 132 lbs.

My concerns are mostly having a proper sizing so that the pump cycles are at least 2 mins., .......also the guy says the pump at 300 ft. can handle this load all day long, as the 300 ft. level doesn't affect the pump.... he said it is only pumping the water the 70 ft., the remainder of the pipe coloum is just the draw down available for the pump should I ever need it.  I mentioned do we need a larger tank since this pump can basically supply that 15 gal. draw down in 1 min.  I also asked if we needed a CSV valve.......he knew what they were, but apparently they only use them to correct water hammer, etc.  they apparently don't use them to control pump cycles.....plus he mentioned a couple hundred to install one.  He seemed to be getting aggravated with my questioning his pump wisdom so I let it go.......thinking I can add the CSV if needed later on.  If so, which CSV do I need, I want to install it in the basement and maybe have one that is adjustable......but I've read some leak a little.....please advise...

Also he is quoting me $1985 for the Goulds pump, wire, piping, etc. to install it at the well head, and set a temp tank setup to use during construction.  Then after construction he's quoting another $1135 to install to the house, approx. 100ft. set tank and system up.........this is located in NC......do these prices sound in line or HIGH ?  .............this did not include the drilling cost which was $8 a foot @ 385 ft = $3080.

Any help/advice the experts can give will be greatly appreciated!!    :-\

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