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Frequently Asked Questions / Re: New well

« on: January 30, 2023, 02:10:31 PM »

Yeah, a lot of people put a check valve there.  It usually works ok at the beginning.  The question is not if but when it will start causing one of many problems.  We show one as there needs to be a check valve in the system.  But it can only be close to the CSV when using a jet pump that is above ground.

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Frequently Asked Questions / Re: New well

« on: January 30, 2023, 11:06:16 AM »

I assume you mean out of the well with a 1 1/4" CSV, which would be fine.  But the only check valve you want is the one down on the submersible pump.  Do not add another check valve.  You also need the pressure switch and pressure tank as close together as possible.  The cut off on the main line should be after the tank and after the hose bib.

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Frequently Asked Questions / Re: New well

« on: January 17, 2023, 11:45:55 AM »

I'll bet we can work it out.  Call Corye and she will sort it out for you.  806 885 4445

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Frequently Asked Questions / Re: Amperage Drop

« on: January 15, 2023, 02:00:16 PM »

Consider it done.  I would be glad to do that.  In the future when you encounter one of the many problems caused by the pump cycling on and off, we will be glad to send you another.

Oh and BTW, not getting much draw down from that 44 gallon tank with 42 PSI air and the pump shutting off at 50 PSI.  Just FYI.


Now after we agreed you are sending the CSV back for a full refund, you should do another video showing your pump is short cycling and running less than 30 seconds with the tank set up you have now.  You may not realize how bad that is but others will benefit from it.  Thanks.

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Frequently Asked Questions / Re: Amperage Drop

« on: January 14, 2023, 10:45:31 AM »

If you had spent half as much time trying to understand how it works as you did making a video trying to show that it doesn't, you would see it does everything it is advertised to do.  If you bought a CSV to save energy, you bought for the wrong reason.  You are using it with the wrong kind of pump to get any amp drop as some will drop by 60%.  But even a pump that drops 60% in amperage is not saving any energy, it is just using less energy than a jet pump will. But you also did not show the wattage when the pump is opened up to 15-20 GPM, as even jet pumps show a little decrease in watts or amps from full flow to minimum flow.  Any straight centrifugal, multi-stage centrifugal, or centrifugal style submersibles will have a much better decrease in amps with a decrease in flow. 

The CSV was not designed to save energy on pump systems, as there is nothing that can do that.  There is no way to pump water more efficiently than normal pumps working at there  best efficiency point.  No device, not even a VFD can save energy when pumping water.  The CSV was designed to make your pump and everything in the pump system last longer, while delivering strong constant pressure to the house.  It is delivering strong constant 45 PSI to the house, and will do so down to as little as 1/2 a GPM if you turn the shut off on the pressure switch up  a little bit as was described above.  If you cannot see how smoothly your CSV pump system is working in that video, do not see the CSV will make the pump last longer, and do not understand the other advantages the CSV is giving you, then we certainly do not want you to have one.  Again, as was said, send it back for a full refund.  You will be the third person in 30 years who was unable to see the benefits of a CSV and returned it for a refund.  Don't throw it in the trash.  There are a million other people who can use it and will appreciate it.  Plus you will need the money from the refund to pay for part of a large pressure tank and replace your pump in the future, as it will not last as long without the CSV.

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Frequently Asked Questions / Re: Amperage Drop

« on: January 13, 2023, 06:43:21 PM »

Sorry you are unhappy.  Send the CSV back for a full refund.  But I think you are mistaken about me claiming energy savings.  I have plenty of articles, videos, and such to show how much energy is used and by what pump.  I also make it very clear that it is the brand and type of pump that determines how much the amperage drops.  I also state many places that even with a pump that has a large amp drop, it still cost more per gallon to pump at lower flow rates.  I also state that just for house use, a CSV can make the electric bill go up a couple bucks a month.  Yours going up 6 bucks a month is unusual, but with a jet pump that doesn't have much or any drop in amps it is possible as a worst case scenario.  It also depends on where you live and if you are paying 10 cents or 40 cents a Kw. 

Even at 6 bucks a month extra energy use, there can be advantages to the CSV. it takes several years at 6 bucks a month just to pay off the larger pressure tank.  The strong constant pressure in the shower is worth quite a bit to some people.  Then the CSV will make the pump, tank, pressure switch, and everything else in a pump system last longer, which can also be quantified.

But I understand, six bucks a month is six bucks a month.  Send the CSV back for a refund.  At least that will offset some of the cost of the larger tank and shorter lived pump system.

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Frequently Asked Questions / Re: New well

« on: January 10, 2023, 03:15:10 PM »

36 gallon is a little small, but would work.  You can use that one and just add another 44 gallon tank if you wanted.

Call Corye here to get an RGA number and the return shipping address.  806 885 4445

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: I'd like to optimize my well water system...help needed.

« on: January 08, 2023, 07:20:38 AM »

If sediment had damaged the 0-ring, the valve would be leaking from under the red coupling in the middle.  I really think the galv nipple is the problem.

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Frequently Asked Questions / Re: New well

« on: January 08, 2023, 07:18:06 AM »

Best for that flow and that pump would be the CSV3A2T. https://cyclestopvalves.com/collections/csv3a-csv3b/products/csv3a2t-cycle-stop-valve-1

Any size tank from 44 to 86 would work fine.  You can find a Water Worker brand tank locally which is made by Amtrol and are good tanks.

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: I'd like to optimize my well water system...help needed.

« on: January 06, 2023, 03:49:31 PM »

I know right?  I try to avoid close nipples for that reason.  Using Channel locks or water pipe plyers I usually install the steel nipple into the steel tee first.  Staying as close the the tee as possible with the water pipe plyers it usually doesn't hurt much of the threads.  Then the plastic CSV can usually be screwed on by hand, tight enough not to leak.  But another round with the plyers won't hurt.

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Frequently Asked Questions / Re: New well

« on: January 06, 2023, 03:45:33 PM »

Several possibilities.  The easiest would be for you to order an " A-Cart" here.  https://cyclestopvalves.com/collections/valve-repair-parts/products/a-cart  Just put in the instruction box that it needs to be an "A-Cart-3".

Swap it out for the "A-Cart" in the kit you have now, and send that one back for a refund of the one you ordered.  Even swap.

You will then need to purchase a 20 to 44 gallon size tank somewhere locally, and add it to a tee after the PK1A kit.  Also note that the pressure switch in that kit will only work with a 3HP when using a deluxe control box with the extra relay.


But if you want to send The PK1A kit back for a full refund and start over with a different kit like the PK125 or even using the CSV3A2T we would be glad to do that.  These kits are made for pumps with flows larger than 25 GPM if that is important?  We can help if you want to give us some parameters and discuss it?

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: I'd like to optimize my well water system...help needed.

« on: January 06, 2023, 10:03:13 AM »

It could be the short steel nipple that is leaking instead of the CSV?

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Frequently Asked Questions / Re: New well

« on: January 06, 2023, 10:01:10 AM »

Sure. Be glad to swap for what you really need.

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Pumps, Wells, Tanks, Controls / Re: I'd like to optimize my well water system...help needed.

« on: January 06, 2023, 08:16:55 AM »

Sorry for your problem.  Seeing wrench marks on the CSV125 and seeing it kind of mushroomed out on the end, I am afraid it was installed too tightly and the leak maybe from a crack in the plastic.  Being as it is only a year old, and even though it maybe installer error, we will send you a new valve under warranty to replace it.  Us a little teflon tape then add some teflon paste over that so you won't have to get it so tight next time.  Call our office, reference your order number or give them your name.  They will send you a new CSV125.  All I want is to know if it was cracked when you get the old one off please.
Thanks
Cary

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Frequently Asked Questions / Re: New well

« on: January 06, 2023, 08:10:34 AM »

A CSV1A is limited to about 25 GPM.  But if you never use more than 25 GPM it will work with that pump.  However, a 3HP needs about 3 GPM to stay cool and the regular CSV1A has a 1 GPM minimum for 2HP and smaller.  We can swap out the gut pack called an "A-Cart" in the CSV1A to make it a CSV1A-3.  The -3 means it has 3 GPM minimum and will work with that pump from 3 GPM to 25 GPM.  It will also fill the tank at 3 GPM instead of 1 GPM, so a little larger tank is needed.  I would recommend about a 44 gallon size pressure tank that holds 10 gallons of water.

Or we can swap the CSV1A for a CSV125-3 or a CSV3A2T, which will give you the full 30 GPM if needed and already has the 3 GPM minimum.